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Lucy Shepherd is at the forefront of modern exploration. From mountains to rainforests, to the Arctic, she has plotted a thrilling, inimitable path for herself. She documents her endeavours, both to share them with captivated audiences, and to show the effects of climate change. On today’s podcast, we talk about what is the Amazon Rainforest like to live in and the daily life in the jungle.

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[00:00:00] Lucy Sheperd: Hello. And welcome back to another episode of the modern adventurer podcast coming up. And these, the snakes will actually chase you and they are, you must never go near them because they will. They will chase your scent and things like this. These stories will just get the nightmares. It, snakes is still a Western thing around us and the two guys are going to their hammocks.

They’ve got a fever we’re trying desperately to try and get all these fires and well I’m sure anyone who’s listening will just be like why or what motivates you to go back. And all the guys absolutely terrified because they had told me when I asked him what he may scared about doing this adventure.

Oh, she must have snakes.

On today’s show. We have an [00:01:00] adventurer who is at the forefront of modern exploration from the Arctic to the rain forest. She has pursued all sorts of expeditions around the world. On today’s podcast. We talked particular about the Amazon rain forest and the hostile environment she had to encounter on one of her expeditions.

I am delighted to introduce Lisi shepherd to the show. Hi, John, thank you for having me. Absolutely pleasure. Well, your background is very much in TV at the moment. But I suppose the best place to start is. About you and how you got into doing all these adventures? I suppose I was always quite well, I was always labeled the adventurous child.

I was the one who used to like climbing trees as high as I could. And I used to really get a thrill from looking at adult spaces. And making them scared. And that was like my little kick. But other than that, when I was at school and things like that, people would label me [00:02:00] shy and quiet, which I really hated.

And then I always felt that when I came back into the garden, when I was exploring on my own, then that’s when I really felt adventurous. And like everyone else, when I got to a teenage year, I tried to try to fit in, try to do what everyone else did and stopped climbing the tree, stopped getting that sort of adults being shocked by what I was doing.

And I kind of lost my mojo, lost that thing that made me, you know, a bit different. And I was about 15 when I went up to Scotland to something called the Ridgeway adventure school, which is a Scottish, they sort of teach you how to survive in the wilds of Scotland. You go kayaking, you go hiking.

And it was there that I actually heard the word expedition for the first time. And I found that I was actually quite good at going on to, into the mountains and being like uncomfortable. And I really enjoyed all that sort of thing. So after that, I latched onto that word expedition [00:03:00] and I was sort of determined to go on and to find how, how else could I do more expeditions that weren’t just these mini mini things of an adventure school in Scotland.

So that’s where it really started. And that was, it was my mission to go find, find expedition really. And I was, I was probably about 16 or so when I started looking properly. So you’ve been doing this for the last 10 years or so. So my first proper expedition I suppose, was where it was, I was lucky enough to get onto one of the British schools, exploration society trips when they were doing these extreme ones.

So it was just myself and 10 that nine other people. And we went off to Svalbard for 10 weeks when I was just 18. And that really. Had a massive impact on me as I’m sure it would most people, but the big thing for me was I found that I could be this person that I never knew I could be. And I really wants to hold onto that because as soon as I got back, everyone kept saying, you know, wow, what an amazing [00:04:00] once-in-a-lifetime experience that was, you know, you must be so proud to have done that once a lifetime adventure.

And the only thing I could think of is you serious. Like if that was a once in a lifetime, then I’m only 18, then it’s all going to be downhill from here. And that was like the start of me realizing maybe you shouldn’t listen to people. What other people say? Because I did listen to people for a while and I believe them and I sort of went low.

I’ve got quite low for a while. Thought that, you know, I just had this best experience. That was just not going to happen again. You know, how could that ever happen again? No one was saying it could and it wasn’t until I met. Author explorers. You know, it wasn’t like I was exposed to explorers when I was younger or anything like that.

My parents very ordinary jobs that I realized that actually, if I wanted this enough, then I could really persevere. It’s not like I had the main massive skills or anything like that. It wasn’t skydiving when I was a kid. [00:05:00] So I just sort of made it. I just tried and tried and tried and expose myself to as many adventures as I could from a young age.

Really. Got it. And so what was the sort of kick that lifted you out of what you’re doing now and into adventure? Was there something that sort of triggered it? I suppose it was when I, when I was getting quite low, I met Neil Lawton. Do you know Neil? Oh, you must. You must know. Who does the scientific exploration society?

And I met him when I was about 19. And I heard about what he was doing. I heard about his adventures that he’d done. He’d done all the seven summits and he does some eccentric expeditions as well. And we swapped contact details. And then a few months later I got an email from him, inviting me on Expedition to the hydrangea bidder in Norway with him himself, and a bunch of other ex [00:06:00] special forces guys and me.

So I’m just 19 and he’s invited me and I’m thinking, wow, this guy is really taking a risk on me here to invite me on something like this with. This team. And I went on that and either pulled my weight. It was, you know, more than capable and came out thinking, right, this is something I am going to do.

I think I can do it because the main thing is believing in yourself. Isn’t it? And we all have our off days, but if you can put your energy and motivate yourself as much as you can, then I think you can. Slowly slowly move forward. So that was just it. I just started doing little, little, and often all the time, gaining more skills started mountaineering started just knowing how to look at myself in different environments, because they never really wanted to specialize.

You know, I love, I love the cold and now I love the jungle as well, and I love high altitudes. So yeah, I’ve maybe I’ve got no, they get all the gear. No idea who knows, but I just, I just can’t cook it enough [00:07:00] for every environment. I think. So the jungle is one of your recent expeditions that you’ve done.

What was that about? So when it was about 2014, when I first went to the jungle and that was in Guyana as well. And it was on that trip. I had a maybe few years of doing Arctic expeditions and high altitude exhibitions. And then I thought at 2014 I want to go to the jungle because this is an environment of always wants to go as a kid.

You always want to go to the jungle with all these, the wildlife and the the fruits on the trees, the beautiful waterfalls. So I thought that’s what I’m going to do. I’m going to go on a expedition there. I’m going to. Meats and tribesmen, and I’m going to join them on a hunting trip. So I did that for a month and long story short on the first day of being with these guys, there was a Jaguar outside, my hammock and the guys there were, I was only with two of them.

They had CA they had put their hammocks like [00:08:00] quite far away. Cause they want us to like respect privacy. They thought that that would be fine. And there’s this check. You are making all these noises when I’m stuck in this hammock and bearing in mind first night, my machete, my bow and arrow is outside and it turned out there had been an Armadillo, had gone underneath my hammock.

And it was using my hammock as a sort of shelter and things like this. And this Jaguar was search, circling me going in and out, making all these horrible noises that it makes. And it finally like pounds for it and went for it, went off into the bushes and in the morning cause I was too, too afraid to.

Scream or yell or anything like this. And I said to the guy, I heard this now he says, what could it be? And they come up to me and they look at the ground and look up at me and they just see Jaguar. Okay. And that kind of. Gave me a little bit nervous nerves throughout the whole jungle experience.

You know, if you’re ever tracking in the jungle and I [00:09:00] don’t know if you’ve been, but it’s, you know, it’s claustrophobic, it’s dark, you can’t get to the fruits and the trees they’re high up. It does take a lot of sort of non you say, you never, you always say like you don’t fight in the jungle, you have to go with it.

And so I put the jungle aside for a few years and it was last year. Or maybe two years ago now I started to think I’m doing all these expeditions, but it’s not making me scared enough. You know, I feel like I kind of know what to expect. Even it needs pretty frightful situations. I thought, Ugh, I’m just going to have to go back to the jungle at night.

It’s it’s, it’s that thing that is missing and I didn’t have much time to go. So I started thinking of where I could go sort of in a four week period and they got in contact with it. Guy who I knew out there and he suggested this mountain range in the canoes. And that’s where it all started. I, I really liked starting expeditions.

I’ve [00:10:00] never been places I’ve never heard of, or they sound quite magical and remote and you know, all of this and the canoe mountain range ditch did just that for me. And I got managed to get someone who had gone to the country. Cause you can’t paste service doesn’t work. You have to get someone who goes to the country to come back with a map.

So I got this really old map. I think it’s from the 1970s or something like that, they trusted this and that isn’t a credit on the table and was just a full of bullshit full of mountains and telling you, and obviously the jungle mountains are different to the mountains. We, we sort of familiar with but it makes with a bit of jungle on it.

It just makes it so much harder to travel through. So jungle is hard to get through obviously at a mountain and really, really hard to get through. And so I was looking at this map and I say, okay. And I basically headed out there last this time last year. [00:11:00] I was meant to only go with two Amerindians.

That was the idea. I was meant to go and find them when I got that. But as soon as I did get there, the last point in civilization, I get a knock at the door and there’s two Amerindians who are not expecting, you know, I’m not expecting anyone and they are looking very, very pissed off and very angry. And they have heard that I’m coming to their jungle, their area and they live underneath the NICU in the shadows of this Canadian mountain rage.

And they’ve heard them coming to cross this mountain range and they think, you know, who am I to cross a mountain range that they’ve lived under their whole life lives and always dreamt of doing, which is completely fair point. I hadn’t even considered that maybe other people want to join me in this quest.

And they’re just very, very, very angry that I’m coming here. And so I’m like, okay, let’s sit down later. Let’s see, see what you’re at, what you’re doing. And I agreed to take them with me [00:12:00] as long as they can leave tomorrow. So this thing they’ve been dreaming of their whole life, they have to go and tell their family that they’re going to go do it suddenly.

And also that one guy from a sort of tribe that they don’t get on with so much can also come because he’s someone who I chatted to beforehand. And they agree to that, but they also say, well, they want to other friends to come as well. So suddenly I’ve gone from a team of three to a team of six and I go and pick them up.

And we, we drive in a four by four to the last tribal village where I’m picking the guy I plan to get. And this guy that I plan to get he’s a, he was just absolutely drunk out of his mind. And just falling over himself. And so there I am thinking, Oh gosh, I’m glad I’ve got all these other guys as well because my plan didn’t go, go, go to plan.

But sure enough, you know, just before about to get into the deep, deep jungle. The re the rum runs out. [00:13:00] Rum is a very popular one there. And the dynamic of the team improves. We will get on like a house on fire, and it’s an amazing thing that having that common goal of adventure and exploration can bring people who know maybe, I mean, one there’s me who obviously is the complete outsider in terms of where I’m from in terms of race, in terms of gender, all these things.

But also the guy who’s from the different tribe who, you know, those two, those two have a history of just not getting on. And, you know, that’s the beautiful thing about being in these environments and having that adventure together and sharing these experiences can do because by the end of it, it was just awesome to have.

Friends, you know, friends for life that, you know, we, we’ve all shared that we all know what everyone went through on those weeks. And yeah. Now planning on going back with the same guys and doing something much, much bigger. So when is the plan to [00:14:00] go back? So if lockdown and COVID lets me I’m meant to be going out in September this year.

So 20, 21. And I mean, it’s a one way ticket, cause I have no idea how long it’s going to take. No, one’s no, one’s done it before. So I mean, I’m, I’m expecting between. Five to 10 weeks. That’s how broad it is. We really don’t know what we’re going to encounter. But basically me crossing the whole of the canoes, but East West, which is basically spans the whole entire country of Guyana instead of just going from South to North.

So got my permissions and all that sort of thing. And now just got to be allowed to fly. Right. Wow. That, that would be absolutely incredible. Yeah, no, I’m, I’m very excited, but it’s, I have those moments of thinking of what am I doing? Like, I think the Junco the longer you expose yourself to it. The more dangerous it becomes, I think so.

[00:15:00] Yeah. W we’ll see. For people listening. What is the jungle like to be in? What’s the sort of environment on a day to day? It’s the first few days slash weeks of being in the jungle. It’s very overwhelming. There’s so much to think about. And your brain is on overdrive, very different from being in the cold environment.

To give you an example, we all know that we have to watch out for your feet where you’re stepping because snakes and things like that. Then you’ve got to w when you’re tracking of the jungle, you will go in a single file, but you have to keep quite a lot of distance between each other. In case someone goes into a wasp nest or bees nest, or snake or Jaguar, and you don’t know you’ve got to have enough distance.

And because you need that distance, you need to be paying attention where they’re going all the time. So they, you go through very, very dense jungle and they can move like. Just anything they can go really quickly. [00:16:00] So don’t go. But someone like me just takes a bit longer to figure out one where they’ve gone.

Cause you’re ducking under and you’re go, you’re not making many tracks at all. So you’re doing that at the same time. You’re trying to use your hands to hold onto the trees and things like that. But the trees often have. These massive, massive spikes on them that you just do not want, you know, if you touch it, the spikes literally come off into your hand and it just hurts.

So how’s that, you’ve got all these things that you have to worry about. And so, but then after a while you realize that your brain subconsciously takes it all in without you having to think suddenly. And it’s a beautiful thing when that happens, because you can only constantly get to concentrate on one thing and your brain is taking care of everything else.

Your brain is sort of. Realizing that that’s got spikes on without you even looking. And it is amazing how powerful that can be. And then once you’ve got it, then it’s just, it’s just a great, great experience once you know, how [00:17:00] to, how to live and not just survive, but thrive in the jungle as well. We had Benedict Allen on last week and on the show.

And he had quite an interesting story from the Amazon and how hostile it can be at times that everything has a defense mechanism because it needs to just survive and everything kind of. Had some sort of fight in them, no matter how tiny they are and you realize you need that too. So yeah, no, it’s definitely survival of the fittest.

And the most adaptable, I guess. Yeah. And say we’ve the sort of trips and expeditions, I mean, you must sort of come across some incredible sort of moments. Like when you are traveling through the jungle, did you come across sort of remake tribes or was it. There was actually I have to say this has never, it’s [00:18:00] never the intention to go and find the remote tribes in these areas because they are uncontacted, you know, you’re not meant to contact them and things like that, but.

I had heard that there was potentially about two dozen, three dozen people living in these mountains uncontacted that used to be in a tribe that the guys I was with were, so they would probably speak a similar language. And so we didn’t come across them. Like specifically, but we found writing on the trees that would have been, then we found some old pottery and I think their trip, the expedition that we do next year, this year now high chance of.

Bumping into them. So I, I, it’s a little bit nerve wracking, but it’s not, I know, I think you said Benedict dad and he he’s bumped into these guys a lot in his expeditions, but now I think that the moments that really stand out on the trip [00:19:00] last year weren’t necessarily tribal things, but it was. Wildlife, we just had one day of everything just felt like it was against us.

And it was just in the worst place possible, right in the middle of the expedition. And my, I had a little inReach dotting where I was on the GPS that people could try and look at them. And that hadn’t been working for a few days and suddenly we’re just there’s Jackie is nearby there’s Bushmaster snakes whistling at us everywhere.

So these Bushmasters snakes whistle when they know you’re there and that they get to come and attack you. And thinking back to what. Happened that day. Cause we basically just encountered so many snakes and at the same time, and I think we may have run into like a breeding ground or something or a nest.

And we, we ended up camping so it could have gone very, very wrong very quickly. [00:20:00] But we had that night, we had so many fires going because fires Put off the animals, the Jaguars and the snakes. So, but boy, it was a, it was a scary night. That was for sure these snakes whistling at you while you know that there’s, there’s been two Jaguars that you’ve seen.

Yeah, no, I just kept putting more logs on that fire. And so you’ll have to forgive my wildlife knowledge, but Bush. Bush snakes. And Jackie was, would they go for you? Yeah. So Bushmaster snakes are the most ferocious sinks that you can find. I that’s very little about them on the internet at all.

And I, I kept thinking, well, maybe all these things that the Amerindians telling me, maybe it’s just. Myth and things like that because they talk about that. What they told me about the whistling. And first I hadn’t really heard of whistling snakes before. They told me that [00:21:00] they chase humans, they actively chase them.

And they sleep under your hammock in the warmth and then strike when you least expect it and that they can outrun a galloping horse. And so these things, and of course that they’re poisonous. So a bite from them will kill you. And then of course, then we. We hear the snakes whistle like mad and the whistling means that they know that you’re there, so stay away or they’re coming to get you.

And this were sort of, so, so haunting it. I was hearing it for weeks after I got back. And so I know that that that’s true, but then I went and did some proper digging and research to see if everything else they said was right too. And I did, I found papers from I really, really long time ago. I think maybe 1902 or something like that.

And it talked about how these snakes, you have to go very, very remote and you have to go very deep. Whether I know humans in the middle of [00:22:00] the jungle and these, the snakes will actually chase you and they are, you must never go near them because they will, they will chase your scent and things like this.

And they do have this whistle and the paper even described this whistle exactly how we had it. So it was amazing to think. Like there’s so much not on the internet. It’s nice and refreshing to know that as well. It’s going to say,

I mean, especially when there’s about 10 of them around you, we basically, what had happened is we heard one. And at 3:00 PM in the jungle, in that area, we were always stopping and stopping to get our hammocks up. It goes dark at six. That gives you enough time to sort of get everything sorted before it gets dark.

And also at three, they kept seeing all the wildlife come out at three. So you have to just, you have to stop. And I thought, okay, the abstract who they can’t tell the time. And there was one point [00:23:00] where it’s just so, so dense jungle, we were going down a slope. So we, it wasn’t very good place to put up a hammock.

So we thought we’ll push on. We’ll keep going until we can find somewhere suitable 3:00 PM on the dot there’s that we spot a Jaguar and. It’s the worst place to see a doctor and then suddenly there’s this whistle. And I don’t know what the whistle is. Cause you know, we hadn’t talked about, you know, how this would sound and all the guys absolutely terrified because they had told me when I asked you what you may scared about doing this adventure and there’s the top Bushmaster Bushmaster snakes.

And they hear this West or another can terrify him. And I even filmed it on my girlfriend and I’m like, what, what they said, Bushmaster go. And so we are going as fast as we can. And this dense jungle with a Jaguar just by our side. And we go, go, go, and we can still hear the West too. And then we hear a whistle in front of us as well, which is not what you want to hear.

Cause then you might bump into it. And so we made the decision. We’re just going to [00:24:00] have to cause clear and make some wear for hammocks. So we will go out machetes and start trying to. Clara space on this slope while these Wessling thanks. They’re going. And one of the is one of them is trying to get a fire, going to put, push them away while he’s doing that.

He gets stung by a bullet, which is suppose you, you know, I have seen an episode of someone being bitten by a bullet and, and. I think it’s like 10 Hornets, so something horrific it’s. I know someone, I mean, this may be an exaggeration, but he’s a, quite a serious guy and he’s, he was blown up in the military once and he said being stung by Lance was worse.

I think the pain is just very, very in one area and just feels like it’s absolutely on fire. And it also gives you a fever for 24 hours. So it really like. [00:25:00] Just does no good to be agile. So we’ve got one man down. The other guy goes to see what he’s up to. He gets stung level and as well. So now two men down The snakes are still wasting around us.

And the two guys are going to their hammocks. They’ve got a fever we’re trying desperately to try and get all these fires. And yeah, no, it was just, it was one of those moments where it’s like, okay, it’s lit. It’s just up to us to make this, get us through the night. But it was really the worst place to encounter all these things.

But the profit place for Bushmasters apparently is right. As far as way as far as way as the CAD from any, any civilization, I’m sure anyone who’s listening will just be like why or what motivates you to go back. I know it is weird, isn’t it? I, when I tell that story, I think why, but I, that was an amazing thing that happened after that night and that morning, we, as a team really [00:26:00] bonded and trusted each other because we’d got through this sort of thing, that sounds like it’s from a horror movie and it just felt like, okay, if that’s happened and we’re okay, then we can do this.

And yeah, there are things that I’m. You know, out of my control and the terrified of that I’m going back to, but I think I think I’ll be okay. I hope I did. I, I, the, the pros outweigh the cons, I suppose. Yeah. Yeah. So we’ll say other than the sort of bonding, what were the sort of moments which you look back on and such fondness?

I think it, it really was those moments I shared with the, with the guys, but also the, it doesn’t, it doesn’t vote well when I say the end, but we had been in such like dark jungle the whole time, and everyone told us that we couldn’t do it. And [00:27:00] we came out and the finished point of this expedition, the sort of thing that marked it was this Big river.

And we came out suddenly and out of this dark dense jungle and this beautiful, beautiful site where it’s like, Oh, this is where all the wildlife had. Like the nice birds and fish are hanging out in the monkeys and the trees. And it just was like, Oh, and there’s this sense of relief, but also pride. Of failing, Oh my God.

It’s it’s it’s over was was something that I haven’t quite felt as much on other trips in, even though I’ve had other trips that have been so much longer and in a way more difficult, but this one just had something about it that felt very, especially for me, who hadn’t had so much experience in the jungle that just felt very special, really.

Wow. What a story? Oh, sorry. You broke up there. Say. [00:28:00] Oh, I was sort of saying what a story of just such a hostile environment and then coming through at the end. Yeah, no, I it’s. The jungle is a hostile environment. But I’d hate to be the person who puts anyone off going there. So, and no, I’m sure. I’m sure you’ve really sold it to everyone so sorry.

No, it is amazing. And I mean, everyone wants to go to the Duncan. I feel like everyone does. You’ve got this picture in your mind, what it’s going to be like, don’t you, and I’ll tell you, it’s not like that most of the time, unless you’re doing a river river journey. It’s on the rivers. I think you see the most UT but if you want some hardships, then go by foot.

Yeah. Yeah. Me and my sister went to LA TCA in Columbia and we were the tracking three for three days in the Amazon and it is. Truly spectacular. It’s such an amazing place and it’s just so [00:29:00] diverse. And you, you realize all these things that you just had, no idea existed.

Sorry. Did you encounter any wildlife or mammals while you were doing it? I think we I suppose our biggest memory that we take from that trip is the trenchless, which, which, where I can’t describe, but it was about the size of someone’s head, if not bigger. I mean, I mean, it was so big and I was brushing my teeth.

And suddenly just above my head is this giant trench and I’m not even scared of spiders. But for that moment I could not speak. Oh, I know. I know. I feel you don’t worry. They’re they may, I don’t know if it might have been what [00:30:00] I’m thinking of a type of spider called the Goliath Bernita. Is that what it would have been?

They could well have been, I mean, it was like as big as your head, like you’re saying it’s just. It’s amazing. They actually, they actually catch birds, obviously. I mean, please, in the name, but yeah, scary. There’s a part of the show where we asked the same five questions to each guest each week. With the first is what’s on your trips.

What’s the one thing or item that you bring with you every time. This sounds so wrong when I say it, but I’m going to say it anyway because I have a reason. But it is the trustee. I know you’re meant to get away from technology when you go away, but the iPhone as a camera, I always take an, it sounds like an awful thing to say.

Cause yeah, I should be saying something like a knife or things like that, but I love taking the iPhone as a camera. [00:31:00] And as a video camera, if you really look after it, you put it on your airplane mode and like that you can fit it in any. Clothing so easily. And it just means, I mean, I love big cameras as well, but you’re going to just capture those moments that you might not capture otherwise night.

I find it very special to be able to save moments and share them and look back on them afterwards. So I always take, always take my iPhone as a form of memory, memory, holding memory, locking. Yeah, it’s a very sort of easy thing to just suddenly whip out if you need to capture a moment. Yeah. And even in the freezing cold, like if you do switch it off at night and put it in your sleeping bag and just really, really the crafter and just a simple battery can charge it.

So yeah, I definitely underrated for that stuff. What’s your favorite adventure or travel book? I actually did a video about this a few weeks [00:32:00] ago. My favorite one is mad, bad, and dangerous to know. By runoff fines because as a book of adventures go has got so many, so many adventures that you, you do realize why he’s called the greatest living Explorer.

Once you read that book and you know that he’s, he’s named that for a reason, so it’s definitely worth a read. It’s insane. Well, there’s all these stories. Yeah. That’s I’ll have to check that one out. Yeah, it’s definitely good. Why are adventures important to you? Advances to me do a few things.

I think as on a personal level, they help, they, I know that they actively help me grow my character each time. And I felt like I become a better person, not just for myself, but for other people afterwards. So that’s something I really love about it, but I also love the feeling. It gives you I love feeling vulnerable [00:33:00] in a world that sometimes you feel that we don’t get often enough.

I think that we should feel vulnerable. And we should realize how beautiful this world is. And so by feeling vulnerable and. Being in these big landscapes is something that I I feel very special to experience as much as I can. Yeah. I agree with that. Sort of the idea of putting yourself out there and showing vulnerability is sort of what I always think helps you grow.

Definitely. And knowing that it’s not all about you, you know, you don’t matter at the end of the day in the terms of the world. So. Yeah, very insignificant. So just appreciate the time that we have now make the most of it now, because honestly it does the world doesn’t care. If you level of dice and make the most of what you were at the time, we have very true.

What’s your favorite quote? Am [00:34:00] I allowed to that by the same person you I’ve got they’re both by Amelia Earhart. On the first one is I have to get these great adventure is worthwhile in itself, which I think is a very good thing, you know, I think it’s. Always good to have adventure with purpose, but don’t, don’t forget to always do adventures, even if that’s what you really want to do.

So don’t let it hold you back. And the other one is the most effective way to do it is to do it.

So that just means go out and do it just go and stop. Yeah. I think a lot of people sort of spend so long trying to plan their so, and they, they sort of get overwhelmed by the sort of. I don’t know how sort of say they sort of get overwhelmed by how much stuff might have to go into it. But actually most of my trips is literally just putting something in a bag and just going for [00:35:00] it and figuring out later that’s not the best idea.

Yeah. But as long as you said yes to it and you, you know, something’s happening then. You’re going to make it work because none of us want to not make it work. So you will put in place the things. And then you’ve already, you’ve already done the hard work. Cause you said yes. I think on episode four we had Jody Stewart and one of those where make a financial commitment that’s always a good way to motivate yourself.

Yeah, definitely. Definitely. Definitely. People listening to always keen to travel and go on these grand expeditions. What’s the one thing you would recommend for people to get started? Well, I suppose it links back to the last question is just to, just to start don’t let other people’s negativities or worries get in the way listened to them, but trust yourself.

And if [00:36:00] you want to do something, then. You’re the best person to know to do it. And if you need a bit more inspiration and motivation, then use yourself as that. And so be your own inspiration, really. So going go and do it very good. What are you doing now and how can people follow your expedition in the future?

What am I doing now? Well now during Roxanne I’m home, sadly. But I am meant to be guiding some Arctic expeditions in the spring. So who knows if that will happen, but if anyone wants to join me on any Arctic expeditions, then you can get in touch with me on any social media website. But currently I am making YouTube videos.

And sort of trying to make adventure more accessible and give some tips and tricks for anyone starting out, but also hopefully provide some insight for those who are seasoned adventures or just the Ontarian Vedra as well. So you can find me on Lucy [00:37:00] shepherd. And my website is Lyft shepherd.net and all the, all the normal social media is Lucy.

Shep’s amazing. And I suppose everyone listening is wondering what’s next. What’s next. Well, I hope, hope, hope, hope it will be the Arctic in a few weeks. Taking some guests out there and then after that, and it will be the big expedition that I have planned for autumn in the jungle. So fingers crossed.

We still see how how the world pans out until then. Did you see the Arctic in a few weeks? Yeah, so I meant, I meant to be going out there in March and April. So it doesn’t, this isn’t the two from us. No, I was going to say no, I’m optimistic. Good. Yeah, that is very optimistic on sort of looking at I’m looking at may and being like, Hmm, say that to me.

Don’t do that. I’ve got all my fingers [00:38:00] grasped. I’ll swim there if I have to. Yeah. That’s the best way. Yeah, I know that it could be a, that could be an adventure in itself. I think that or a death wish. Yeah. Well, Lacey, thank you so much for coming on today. Thank you very much for having me the pleasure, listening to your stories and especially trying to inspire people to get to the Amazon rainforest.

I think you suddenly I didn’t know if I did that. I’ll put them off. It was. But yeah we’ll, I’ll be following your trip when you eventually go and Conway to see the videos that come out on YouTube. Thank you very much. Well, that is it for today. Thank you so much for watching hit that like button.

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